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gremlin · Dec 01, 2010, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by syronj

Sorry for the noob question, but why are skills updated; why are updates desirable? I guess if a build gets too powerful it gets nerfed by the company, but apart from that, maybe someone could explain.

The updates come about for two reasons imo

Firstly the skill base became too large so many classes running so many skills caused balance problems esp in pvp.

pvp players began to dominate the game using a few very strong builds "a simplification I know".

Anet likes variety and tried to increase the variety of builds by weakening some skills and making others more powerful or sometimes altering how they functioned.

Every alteration in one area caused a ripple effect creating an imbalance somewhere else.

Shayne Hawke · Dec 01, 2010, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by Xsiriss

Then think about quests, or better yet incorporate them with REAL changes.

ANet did think about reworking quests. Hence, GW2.

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I like guildwars, but there are limits. The same content and stale skills ( Yes the whole useless skills idea cropping up again) from 5 years ago is wholy unnattractive.

I don't really see it as a bad thing if a game took five years to become stale to you.

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Originally Posted by drkn

Can anyone confirm/decline this?

Sure. That sounds like something said from someone who has never tested with us. Ever.

RedDog91 · Dec 01, 2010, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by Iuris

every update we get is a bonus.

Stop expecting them, you're not paying for them

QFT
Seriously, everyone needs to stop complaining. You aren't paying for update; hell, you're not even paying a subscription fee! Stop expecting something for nothing.

Shayne Hawke · Dec 01, 2010, 03:39 PM // 15:39

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Originally Posted by RedDog91

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Seriously, everyone needs to stop complaining. You aren't paying for update; hell, you're not even paying a subscription fee! Stop expecting something for nothing.

To be fair, I believe that some of us have purchased this game with the idea that it would come with some kind of update every now and then. That's part of the advertised model, after all. I don't think I would have bought this game however many years ago if I would have known it wasn't going to be adjusted after release.

Skye Marin · Dec 01, 2010, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by syronj

Sorry for the noob question, but why are skills updated; why are updates desirable? I guess if a build gets too powerful it gets nerfed by the company, but apart from that, maybe someone could explain.

Also, skill updates freshen up the game and let new build become more effective. Usually, they focus of a specific profession. Earlier this year, PvE Blood Necromancers, Ritualists, and Mesmers got some love:

http://www.guildwars.com/support/gam...ve-2010-04.php

Right now, people are expecting a Dervish update because, despite being the primary scythe class, all other classes use scythes better. Assassins have higher damage, energy management, and attack speed with critical hits and Critical Agility, Warriors have Warriors Endurance and Strength for armor penetration, and Rangers have Expertise and good survivability.

A while ago, there was an appeal from Anet:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Arena...September_2009

They essentially promised bi-monthly skill balances as long as we would be patient about it, but it's been 8 months between the Mesmer update and the Dervish update that hasn't come yet. Some people are getting ansy. They should just take a break.

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

To be fair, I believe that some of us have purchased this game with the idea that it would come with some kind of update every now and then. That's part of the advertised model, after all. I don't think I would have bought this game however many years ago if I would have known it wasn't going to be adjusted after release.

Seriously? If you were told "Hey there is this 89% Metacritic game that you'll likely sink thousands of hours into, but the support for it will slow down a bit after 5 years of its release." you wouldn't buy it just because of that?

Get over yourselves.

Ghull Ka · Dec 01, 2010, 03:48 PM // 15:48

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Originally Posted by Xsiriss

...lacklustre, surreal, subpar, lack of effort, uninspiring, boring, mediocre, stale, useless, unattractive, uncompelled, aimless...

Hey look, someone on the internet is complaining about not getting free stuff fast enough.

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Originally Posted by Xsiriss

Firstly for the love of God learn to read...

...This is more of a critique thread,

No. It isn't. "Critique" is not a synonym for "Complain". Even on the internet.

And "learn to read"? Really? Are the WoW forums down today or something?

*Darcy* · Dec 01, 2010, 03:52 PM // 15:52

Whether you are happy or unhappy with the new content or the updates is subjective. The new content is adding to the lore and moving the story along towards the future events. The costumes are great and, as they were done by ArenaNet's armor/clothing artists, I don't really think they take time away from skill or profession updates. Don't let your dissatisfaction with the lack of content desired by you leak over into an opinion on all new content.

jazilla · Dec 01, 2010, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by The Josip

The reason why I find GW extremely boring is not the lack of new content or less people playing. I gave it a thought and it turned out that the reason why I liked GW so much was frequent SKILL BALANCE.

That meant I can be creative, test, experiment, and most of all it made it look like developers actually want balanced gameplay. With frequent skill balances I could revisit same area in a different way and have lots of fun.

Now? Gone. Dust. Stale.

^this. I still really enjoy playing GW though, but I totally agree with this. That was the best part of GW. Every time a major update occurred you had to change up the way you played. I never got mad at an update. It always meant that I had new ways to tackle things and new ways to experiment. People complain that people are just using the same old builds etc., but that is because the meta hasn't changed in ages. Same goes for PvP.

Malice Black · Dec 01, 2010, 03:55 PM // 15:55

Why are they going to waste time and people adding additional content to a game that has reached the end of it's life span? The fact they still update this game after 5 years is a testament to Anets dedication to GW. For ~$100 you've got 5 years worth of entertainment. That is a good deal.

Zodiac Meteor · Dec 01, 2010, 03:59 PM // 15:59

Guild Wars 2 > Guild Wars

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Why are they going to waste time and people adding additional content to a game that has reached the end of it's life span? The fact they still update this game after 5 years is a testament to Anets dedication to GW. For ~$100 you've got 5 years worth of entertainment. That is a good deal.

Nuff' said.

Roen · Dec 01, 2010, 04:03 PM // 16:03

I love that they're still adding any kind of content. It's all icing at this point. I'm still playing through the base campaigns (finished proph & fac) and EotN. Then I can play through them in HM plus I haven't even done WiK yet, or UW, FoW, SF, Urgoz, DoA, etc. I've been playing this game for four years and still have lots to do. But then I only play a couple hours a week.

I do like skill balances and would love to see rangers re-balanced a little. It's currently much more powerful playing as a SoS R/Rt than as a bow user. But I prefer bows.

Xsiriss · Dec 01, 2010, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by Ghull Ka

Hey look, someone on the internet is complaining about not getting free stuff fast enough.

No. It isn't. "Critique" is not a synonym for "Complain". Even on the internet.

And "learn to read"? Really? Are the WoW forums down today or something?

Well that's just idiotic, because if you could actually read you would have seen that I LIKE some of what anet has done recently. What I do NOT like is this sudden misdirection. Critique is constructive and encourages progress, very much the opposite of what you yourself have done which is essentially just attack something I don't think you fully understand.

This entire 'rant/thread/whatever' is about the fact that I do not want to see Anet continue this kind of behaviour. Where they don't just say one thing and not stick to it, but keep saying a lot of things about many different subjects that they then apparently forget. In the past for example they gave us reasons for why 7 heroes wasn't really viable and actively engaged with the community about certain OP builds in PvP. Now it's hints of promises and dead silence.

I'm happy with the years of content I've got out of it, I just don't want anet to collapse from a ton of crossed threads and unintend promises because that bodes ill for GW2. Afterall the title is addressing anet, not just the game itself.

Lest121 · Dec 01, 2010, 04:22 PM // 16:22

I am enjoying it all........considering i took a 2 year break this is all refreshing and fun too me....once i am bored again, probably find another free MMO while i wait for GW2.

Missing HB · Dec 01, 2010, 04:23 PM // 16:23

I gotta agree a lot with OP's post though. There was almost no update in PvP , and the few there was made it completly pointless.

Deleting TA and HB for Codex : made a lot of players quit. TA players are either doing Codex when they can , either losing hair in RA. Some HB players left , many others did go HA ( you can remember the huge apparition of bb sins in HA , leading to situation actually in Heroes Ascent ) .

Some skills updates , concerning only top100 GvGers or mat winners , rest of players are like /care.

Some promises such as new HA map or dervish update that completly disappeared.
WiK content was nice , however a bit repetitive on quests , and you see that lazyness reported in Hearts of the north : almost 5 times the same quest , just having to kill mobs every 5 steps.

Personaly , i don't mind a lot , but the huge problem for me is that game would be a lot better if they didn't do any update last 2 years ( in PvP ofc ). Anyway , i guess it's too late now and they probably wont change anything.

papryk · Dec 01, 2010, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by RedDog91

QFT
Seriously, everyone needs to stop complaining. You aren't paying for update; hell, you're not even paying a subscription fee! Stop expecting something for nothing.

why should I stop expecting something? I 've bought a game with promises of free and regular updates.

This is taken from gw.com:

Will there be a subscription fee for Guild Wars? Are there any other fees, such as for patches or updates?

There is no a subscription fee of any kind, anywhere in the world and there are no hidden fees. You do not have to pay for the streaming updates that will take place on a regular basis, nor for additional content that we will provide between the campaigns of Guild Wars.

Arduin · Dec 01, 2010, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by Xsiriss

This entire 'rant/thread/whatever' is about the fact that I do not want to see Anet continue this kind of behaviour. Where they don't just say one thing and not stick to it, but keep saying a lot of things about many different subjects that they then apparently forget. In the past for example they gave us reasons for why 7 heroes wasn't really viable and actively engaged with the community about certain OP builds in PvP. Now it's hints of promises and dead silence.

Change of staff, change of staff management, change of overall goals.

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Originally Posted by papryk

There is no a subscription fee of any kind, anywhere in the world and there are no hidden fees. You do not have to pay for the streaming updates that will take place on a regular basis, nor for additional content that we will provide between the campaigns of Guild Wars.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedback:Game_updates

5 updates the last month, free of charge.

Whether you are happy with the updates, is up to you.

SkekSister · Dec 01, 2010, 04:38 PM // 16:38

This forum is full of people who, were they on fire and you handed them an extinguisher, would moan that they didn't like its colour.

Skyy High · Dec 01, 2010, 04:46 PM // 16:46

We did get new content. The Hearts quests were different and entertaining, at least for some people. They weren't for others, yourself included, and you're perfectly within your right to not like them, but you go to far when you claim that they're shoddy or poorly done. They're very well done, they're just not something you enjoy.

Also: halloween quests were awesome.

Essence Snow · Dec 01, 2010, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by SkekSister

This forum is full of people who, were they on fire and you handed them an extinguisher, would moan that they didn't like its colour.

Not exactly...it's more like being handed an empty fire extinguisher. Yeah we got one, but it doesn't really do anything.

Imo skill updates are completely underrated. A good skill update provides much more than a small content update in terms on playabilty. (is that a word?) The mesmer update has lead to many people playing their mesmers for coutless hours vs content updates which lead to only a few hours.

I personally would rather have skill updates than content updates, but that's just me.

Warvic · Dec 01, 2010, 04:54 PM // 16:54

A game that has no monthly fees needs a lot of updates to keep people interested. This is not the cast with GW1 (anymore). So people will leave the game or post a thread about it like you did. These threads are pretty aimless because they only comfirm what everyone alrdy knows.